Abundance and Creativity
Money, success, passion, and messages from the angels are some of the inspiring topics covered in this episode. This panel discussion, Abundance and Creativity, includes guest teachers: author Mark Gober, psychic Laura Michelle Powers and nature teacher Shelley Wasicki-Franke. Each of these experts has so much to offer in terms of healing and enlightenment, as well as being prolific creators themselves. We talk about abundance, manifesting, and consciousness - and how this relates to creativity and being a successful creative person in this world.
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Abundance and Creativity - with Mark Gober, Laura Michelle Powers, and Shelley Wasicki-Franke
I want to welcome everyone to this panel, I'm so excited to have you here today. My name is Sarah Rossiter and I'm the host of The Psychic Artist Podcast. I'm also an artist and a psychic medium, and I have been studying consciousness and creativity my whole life. And I'm excited to hear from our wonderful panelists, what they think about these subjects.
I would like to introduce our inspiring guest experts:
Mark Gober is the author of the award-winning book An End to Upside Down Thinking and the sequel An End to Upside Down Living. He is also the host of Where Is My Mind? podcast, featuring his interviews with world-leading consciousness researchers. Mark examines consciousness and psychic phenomena from a scientific perspective, and he seeks to propose ways that we can use this awareness to improve our lives.
Laura Michelle Powers is a celebrity psychic, actress, writer, singer, and creative entrepreneur. Laura’s many books including Archangels and Ascended Masters are available online, and she also offers classes on manifesting, psychic training, and podcasting. Laura hosts the popular podcast Healing Powers, interviewing experts on healing, metaphysical, spiritual, and empowering topics.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke is a shamanist, intuitive, teacher and energy worker. She works with nature spirits, elementals and her spiritual team to help weave the ancient connections and magic back into the lives of the people she works with. She’s the host of The Positive Spirit Podcast with Shelley. She also has a book coming out soon, When Animals Speak: True Stories & Spiritual Messages From The Animal Kingdom, available soon on Amazon.
Welcome to all of our participants, I'm so glad to have you guys all here. Let's just start the conversation with abundance and creativity. I've been doing a lot of tapping with Brad Yates, and I love his idea that abundance is everywhere. He says, "I can see as many leaves on the trees as other people do, as many stars in the sky as other people.”
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Welcoming that abundance into our lives. In terms of creativity, art making, writing, acting, any creative endeavor that you do, I feel like this infinite abundance and creative expression is there for us, but sometimes we have trouble tapping into it. I’d like to ask Mark about this. Let’s start with the mind and talk about abundant thinking versus the limited way that we're taught to understand these ideas in society. Do you have some thoughts on that, Mark?
Mark Gober:
Sure. Well, for me, it all starts with where does thinking even come from?
How is it that we have the ability to think? Traditionally, we're taught in school that our thinking, our awareness, our consciousness, it all just comes from our brain. Certainly, the brain is involved in our ability to perceive the world, but there's a lot of research, near death experiences, psychic phenomenon, and other things like it, which suggests that the brain is more like an antenna receiver of our consciousness and awareness.
Another analogy is that our brain is almost like a blindfold, meaning there's all this consciousness out there beyond what we normally perceive, and we're only letting in a little sliver. When I think about creativity and thoughts, and trying to harness our unique talents to the best of our ability, it's about opening up our mind, and allowing things to come in, rather than trying to produce them. That's a very different perspective than what I used to have coming from the business world where I was always trying to control everything. This is much more of a surrendered attitude.
The thoughts are coming in. There's no intelligence that's beyond what our eyes can see, and we allow that into our mind.
Sarah Rossiter:
That's really beautiful. It is a different way of being, isn't it? It's not the way we're taught.
Mark Gober:
No.
Sarah Rossiter:
I wanted to jump over to Laura. Perhaps you can talk about abundance and creativity from your perspective building on what Mark said.
Laura Michelle Powers:
First of all, I just want to say I completely agree with what Mark said.
I really do believe we are like an antenna, and even what we think of as our thoughts is such a combination of something that truly is originating from our own self, information coming in from our angels and spirit guides, thoughts from people around us, animals around us, plants around us, earthbound spirits, entities. Our thoughts are quite complex, and so that really impacts us in terms of our ability to manifest what we can receive, also, our creativity.
I do believe that the universe is abundance, and just as you mentioned that Brad Yates said that we can have it all.
Those of our limits are based on what we perceive that we can have, beliefs, how we've been raised. Past lives actually will impact, because we do get programming in each of our lives that then we may have to undo. There's also ancestral trauma, so what we receive in our DNA. There's the soul aspect. There's the DNA aspect. There's a lot for us to shift sometimes in order to fully tap into that abundance, so it's definitely a process, something that I've been definitely going through for the past 10 years since I've been on this psychic journey, but I believe we are divine creators.
I think that's what we're here for, ultimately, is to be like God, the Creator, not the Christian God, but just the ultimate creator of everything, which to me is not a religious being. That's how I think we are like the creator is in our ability to create literally in all ways. I think we also can be creative in any number of ways. A lot of people think they have to be just one thing, "I have to be just an artist. I have to be just a musician. I'm just a dancer. I'm just an inventor." You fill in the blank. I feel that abundance actually spreads into creativity. We can be abundantly creative as well.
Sarah Rossiter:
I agree.
I found that the more you put out, the more you get back, and then you're fed, and you have more energy, whereas I used to think that you would be depleted from trying too many things. If you're really tuned into that, then it's flowing through you. It's not even always you. It's an energy that flows, and that that energy is abundant. I actually don't get tired when I'm working on things that inspire me.
Laura Michelle Powers:
I feel the same. I feel it's energizing. The further that I've tapped into my psychic abilities and had awareness of it, the more creative I am. A lot of people... I have eight books. I host several podcasts. I have a lot of music that I've created. One of the reasons I think I can be that prolific is because so much of what I do is channeled. I literally just get a download of a song, and it just comes in almost fully formed. I might have to tweak some things to... Basically, the song is there.
When I write, a lot of it is channeled. It just comes in. It's like having a writer's room in your head, so it's much faster and easier than in just your own consciousness trying to figure it all out.
That's awesome. I'm going to go to Shelly next. Shelley, do you want to share your perspective on all this? I don't know if you heard it, but I introduced you while you were off.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
Oh, thank you. For me, I tie a lot of things to nature.
When I realized that abundance, when I was able to sit in nature, and I was able to release and let go, and I was able to become one, you start to feel the energy. Once you tap into the energy of a grain of sand, the energy of the ocean, the energy of trees and plants like Laura said, and like Mark touched on, there's a consciousness to everything. Once we tap into that, you realize it's all abundance.
It's all where it comes from, so tying things to energy for me is how I tap into the abundance frequency. When it comes to creativity, I mean, there's hardly anything that I am aware of that is more creative than the world that we live on. To be supported on a planet that holds so much beauty and so much wonder and so much wisdom, and tap into that is an amazing thing, because the divineness of it adds a completely different level.
Sarah Rossiter:
Laura says in the chat, "I feel the fact that we all have breath as an example of the abundance that is out there for all of us.” That's true when we're breathing."
I want to skip over to Mark and just ask about consciousness. I think I'm curious how you tap into it for your creative work, but also, for anybody who's wondering what the heck are we talking about with consciousness, maybe you could just start there.
Mark Gober:
Sure.
When I think of consciousness, I think of the part of us that allows us to experience. It's a very abstract thing, because we can't touch it. That's why many people have different definitions of consciousness. In many ways, we can't even define it, because it's not something that's limited, but we all experienced it.
The way I think about it is I use an analogy from a philosopher named Dr. Bernardo Kastrup. He says that it's like there's an infinite stream of water, which represents this infinite consciousness, and we are individual whirlpools within the stream. Meaning, it feels like we're an individual, and that we're separate from each other, but we're fundamentally interconnected by this universal consciousness.
When I think about creativity, abundance, topics like that, it's as if we are tapping into the broader stream of consciousness that we've always been a part of. It's always been there. It's just that we have to be able to access it. I'll give one quick example that's really helped me think about this just from a scientific lens, because that's how I tend to think about stuff. Near death experiences, these are instances where a person has, let's say, cardiac arrest. Their brain is either completely off, or it's barely functional. They shouldn't be allowed to have a complex awareness, and yet, when they're resuscitated sometimes, they describe this elaborate experience.
They're immersed in unconditional love. Sometimes they have a life review, where they relive the events of their life through the eyes of the people they impacted, but the important thing with consciousness here is that this is happening at a time when their brain is basically off or completely off. Sometimes, they actually see things that happened in the room when their brain was off, and they come back and tell the doctor what happened. The doctor says, "No, you shouldn't have been able to perceive that," so something about their awareness was continuing even though their body wasn't functional.
For me, that's just... It's a powerful way of thinking about our awareness. It's not tied to our body, and that if we think of everything as being just tied to our body, it's inherently limiting.
Sarah Rossiter:
What is that? How do we perceive all these things if not with the body?
Mark Gober:
There are many techniques that can be used. For me, meditation has been very helpful, a way of just trying to calm the mind even though there are lots of thoughts just to focus on breathing, focus on your feet on the ground, something to take us away from just the constant stream of thoughts. Sometimes just watching the thoughts, we realize that our identity, our consciousness is the part of us that watches the thoughts that we aren't the thoughts. We're the perceiver of the thoughts. Just that separation or just the pulling back can help with creativity, because when we get lost in the stream of thoughts, then we don't always pick up the signal that Laura was referring to that there's all kinds of intelligence that we're tapping into, but we might just not perceive it because we haven't stepped back.
Sarah Rossiter:
How do you tap into your creative work? Do you have a particular way that you do it, or did it just happen or?
Mark Gober:
I think people do it in different ways. I know some people will hear. They might see. For me, it's a sense. I'll get a feeling that something is the right path, or an idea will just come in, and then maybe 10 minutes later, I'll realize, "Oh, where did that idea come from?" It just appeared. I try to allow it to happen, rather than force it to happen. If I'm meditating, I'm not sitting there saying, "I need an answer to this question." I just sit, or I'll be working out or doing something, and the ideas will flow in. I just accept them as they occur.
Sarah Rossiter:
I just want to open it up to Laura and Shelley if you guys just want to jump in and if you have thoughts.
Laura Michelle Powers:
I completely agree, again, with what Mark was saying. I think that it is something that we open ourselves to. Also, there's so much out there, so understanding that we are not our thoughts. I actually read the book The Power of Now that helped me have just a strong realization, because I grew up being very telepathic, and actually receiving a lot. I wasn't having a problem with being open. I was very open. In fact, I was so open that I received through my thoughts a lot of things that were really not very helpful. I was suicidal in middle school. I had a lot of negative self talk. I was born into an abusive traumatic situation, so that's actually fairly common from people that have those kinds of experiences.
But when I started reading about consciousness and mindfulness and the psychic realm, it really opened my mind to what are my thoughts, and also, what do I want to engage with? Most people are engaging with a lot of... I'm going to put this in quotes, but “thoughts,” a lot of information that's coming in through their mind that is not very helpful. You can decide what you want to let into that channel basically.
You can decide, "I want to let positive, loving, abundant thoughts in," or, "I want to let a lot of fear-based hateful thoughts in." I do believe that when you are in fear, when you're in fear, stress and anxiety, it is very difficult for you to create, because when you're in stress mode, your body releases cortisol.
You're not in that higher level of thinking, and open to channeling those higher levels and dimensions of energy. I think it's important for us to do whatever we can to heal clear and release stress and anxiety from our life, or the things that trigger that in us so that we can really tap into those higher, more positive thoughts as well as creativity, which I think is an aspect of that.
Sarah Rossiter:
I have found that it's this process. You've taught me so much, Laura, about protecting my space. Thank you, because I wasn't aware of how much I was letting in and how that was affecting me. It was disempowering me so that I wasn't able to create my best work, or I wasn't able to have positive thoughts, because I didn't understand the concept of protection. I also didn't really understand the concept of channeling, although I was feeling things coming in that were positive, but I wasn't... I just wasn't conscious. I think it's a lot easier when you become conscious of negative positive thoughts, and it's not scary.
It's not fear based, "Oh, I need to be protected," but there's this element of owning your space and holding these boundaries around your intention to be a creative person and to protect your work so that it can help others and expand as opposed to when it's fear based, you kind of just get stuck, I find.
Laura Michelle Powers:
I'm getting from the guides to mention this analogy that they gave me, which I think is just so easy to understand.
The guides told me that our lives and our experiences are basically like a Netflix queue. Whatever we connect with and engage with, whatever we watch in that sense, like we do on Netflix, is what gets put in our queue. It's really important to just think about like, "Is what I'm watching, is what I'm experiencing in life and what I'm engaging with, is that what I want to continue to receive?" The queue is created through this universal algorithm over time, so as we gradually change our thoughts, feelings, experiences, what we're interacting with, that queue will change in our lives as well.
Sarah Rossiter:
That seems to relate to abundance as well, like what you put out will come back to you. Shelley, what do you think about all that?
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
I am a big believer that we all possess these incredibly intuitive capabilities. We're all psychic. We were born with it. We come into this plane with it.
We just get convoluted in this human form, and we chose to incarnate, so that's important. We chose to become human on the planet earth, which is a really tough planet to be on. When we fill up with stuff, it's hard to tap in, so when you can find a modality where it's meditation, it's exercise. It's chanting. It's whatever it is for you, where you can quietly release and make space. Once we create space, then the other things and the intuition, and then divineness has room to come in. But when we're full, there's just no room for it to go.
When you put out... Like you and Laura and Mark said, the universe is a big mirror. I post about it all the time. What we put out gets mirrored back to us. If you're going to put out negative things, and it's going to be low vibration, and that is what you will get back in kind. Over time, like Laura said, when we make that switch, and we make that transition, and we've released and created space for this greatness to come in, it's amazing that you look at it, and you're like, "Oh, crap, it's been here the whole time," and you just didn't realize it.
Laura Michelle Powers:
Yeah. Unaware.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
I mean, the synchronicities just bombard and come in, so it's really cool.
Sarah Rossiter:
I agree. Laura says “Earth is the school of accelerated learning, challenging, but rewarding on a soul level.” I would agree. I feel like context is really important, because what we're all talking about is creating this beautiful, sacred space meditating, connecting, but then how do you go out, Mark, into the world and connect with people that might not agree with you, or who is your audience if you have this... I mean, I think I told you I used to meditate a lot, and that I would be so blissed-out, and I'd walk out the door and suddenly not be able to interact with the humans around me. This disconnect between the input you're getting and your context or your audience, how do you navigate that, Mark?
Mark Gober:
It's something I've looked into a lot in my research. What you described is part of the awakening journey that all of us are going through in some capacity, but what you're describing is a very visceral aspect of it, where you're really tapping in, and most of the world is not in that state. I think there's a balancing act for us to embody that energy, and still be able to interact in the world. It takes time for us to be able to hold that energy in a consistent manner. But also, I want to address something that I've personally dealt with, which is maybe dealing with communities that are not as open to these ideas, or trying to communicate ideas to people that just don't want to hear it.
What I've found is that it's really not about trying to convince people. My books are mostly about science and creating arguments for things and walking through the logic, but I don't look at it as trying to change someone's mind. Rather, it's more about providing information so that if people are open to it, they can explore. There's a subtle difference there of wanting to change someone versus allowing them the opportunity to blossom on their own.
That's just the way I look at life, where we are here to evolve individually, and everyone's on a different journey.
Who am I to tell someone else that they shouldn't be on the journey that they're on? Maybe they're supposed to be in a different type of lifestyle, and it's not my job to intrude on that.
Sarah Rossiter:
I'm thinking of the story you told about the doctor who's very smart, and he's like, "Mark, if I follow your path, my life is going to be just turned upside down, and I want to keep my life the way it is." There's this mind blowing aspect to a lot of this information. When you start to tap in, you're like, "Whoa, what I perceived before is so not what's happening," and it's hard to meld one's understanding. This experience of being mind blown, I think, is the most challenging aspect for me, and connect-
Mark Gober:
The person has to be willing. There has to be an initiation from that person to go down the rabbit hole. For me-
Sarah Rossiter:
There's a deconstruction that happens.
Mark Gober:
Yes, it's a deconditioning. It's an unwinding of everything I used to believe. For me, it's been about five years. I didn't think the way that I do now, and it was pretty traumatic for me to learn about this information. Actually, it was first through Laura's podcast, and listening to... I heard her randomly on a health show, but I started listening to many of her interviews, and she talked to people that had these personal experiences. Then I looked at some of the scientific evidence, and it was disorienting, because I lived my whole life in a business career, just a very conventional, accomplishment-focused person.
I realized, "Wait, there was so much more to life that had existed, but I was missing it." I made the conscious choice to continue to explore that rather than say, "Well, I'm just going to continue on my track." Some people do that, like friends of mine who were on the traditional track, and I talked about what I'm doing. The story you're referencing, Sarah, is a friend of mine, very smart doctor who said, "Mark, you're probably right, and there's probably good scientific evidence, but my life is good right now, and I don't want to mess with it."
I said, "That's great. It's not my job to step in." I can understand where he's coming from.
Sarah Rossiter:
It's a big... It's like you have to jump... You're either all in, or your toe is in, and where your focus is will really determine how deep you can go with creativity and consciousness.
Mark Gober:
The intention and where we orient our compass, that's key.
Sarah Rossiter:
Laura, this is making me think about careers in creative worlds, because how do you bridge this space between awareness, like Mark is talking about, to actual being in the world and manifesting things? I feel like you're teaching us to come from a different perspective instead of saying like, "I want this. I want to be a successful artist, and I'm going to go about it in the traditional way." It's a mind shift to looking at abundance and creativity from a different perspective.
Laura Michelle Powers:
I think that when we're approaching things purely analytically, we might say, "Okay, I need to do X, Y, and Z to become a successful artist," if that's your goal. Then when you tap into your intuition, you can sometimes skip a lot of those initial steps, and go right to some of the rewarding stuff. I think that we can learn very quickly. We can experience rapid shifts, quantum leaps. I think they're talked about in some circles. I've experienced this myself, and I think it's actually caused a lot of people to open their mind to what I do, because I started 10 years ago, and what I've created in that amount of time, and what I experienced very quickly, I very quickly started to manifest media coverage, high-level clients, amazing travel, and all these things that frequently, people desire, and I did it relatively easily.
I did it because I was tapping into my intuition, and paying attention to angels and spirit guides that were trying to guide me along the path. I think when we do listen to our intuition, we open ourselves up to rapid transformation. The other thing I want to say is that, too often, there's this starving artist, starving creative paradigm. I detest that paradigm. I really reject it. I think there's a lot of programming from our society, certainly from past lives, as well, that that has to be a thing. The more people buy into this, the more there are these belief structures.
Actually, I saw this recently in a reading, where there's these literal energy structures that are based on certain beliefs. When enough people decide like, "Hey, I don't believe in us," the whole building starts to fall down, so these societal paradigms start to shift. Only a small number of people need to make that change in order for that to shift. One of the changes in thinking that the guides had me do in regards to abundance and creativity, what it was to reprogram, to rethink. For example, the more people I touch, the more people I assist, the more people I impact, the more money I make, that if we can change our belief and program to something that's actually a helpful pattern or relief, then that can help us with...
All of us, I think a lot of artists and creatives, ultimately, that's what we want to do is we want to help. It's a type of, I think, healing now. If we can change that thinking to where like, "Oh, as I help more, I receive more. As I help more, I make more money," and money is not a bad thing. It is simply an energy. We can access it just like everybody else. It's a process and a journey. I'm sure you'll talk about it a little, Sarah, but I just also feeling to bring up that there are several tools that you can use to help clear that all programming to tap into the abundance, tapping emotion code, affirmations. I use my Healy. I mean, there's a list of all different kinds of things that can help with making those shifts to open to or abundance.
Sarah Rossiter:
I'm just going to come out as the client who had that structure that we discovered working together. I think that structure is really worth sharing about and looking into. I know everyone's aware of the shifts that are happening in the world in terms of power dynamics and people thinking more creatively outside the box. I was just blown away when I saw that structure with you. I think it was more than just me. It was also a structure that I had taken on, but it was built by... throughout time by many energies, and watching this architecture fall and crumble, and then being left with this task of how do I rebuild my understanding of the world and of energy dynamics?
How do you manifest? How do you create? Is this my voice? What is my voice if I don't constrain it? If I really speak my truth, what does that sound like as opposed to waiting for permission or looking to the larger society, and asking, "Is this okay? Has this been done before," always measuring yourself against another metric that may not be in alignment with your values. I've been really thinking a lot about that structure, and I feel like, as artists, we often fall into a belief pattern about what we can and can't do. Sometimes, it doesn't serve us, or most of the time, it doesn't serve us at all. I really like that you're helping people break down those patterns and beliefs that we unconsciously participate in.
Laura Michelle Powers:
I think it's majorly happening, and these systems and structures are being torn down actively right now. You see that with a lot of the turmoil. When these things come down, there's often a lot of turmoil associated with this. There's a quote that's actually in Mark's book, and we talked about it in one of the interviews. I can't remember exactly what it is, but it's basically when a new truth emerges, people at first deny it and reject it, and then they basically attack it, and then eventually accept it as truth. I think a lot of these things that we're talking about right now, society is in full rejection mode attacking, but eventually, it'll just come in as the new paradigm, and most people will just accept that this is the way that it is.
Sarah Rossiter:
Shelley, do you want to jump into... What are your thoughts on this?
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
What was coming through for me is that everybody has touched on... This really is a huge time for change in our humanity. I feel like people like Mark and yourself and Laura and myself, in the spiritual community, you build trust, and when you're speaking your truth, trust is almost an implicit thing when you speak your truth. People know us. We have relationships with people, so when I came out of the spiritual closet, half of the people that I knew in my life were like, "Well, of course, we've seen this in you the whole time. We knew that you were always different. We knew, and we loved you."
The other half of the people, some people are going to drop off. Some people are going to come into our radar in our orbit. It is what it is. I'm a firm believer that we will attract our tribe, and by speaking our truth and by being trustworthy, that does help shift. They feel like it's that droplet in the water, that it just takes one of us to be the drop, and the ripple effect that goes out will just be incredible, and it's happening.
Sarah Rossiter:
It's cool, and it's also really exciting to me to be working on the spiritual plane subject matter in terms of consciousness and creative people, because I feel like creative people have an easier ability to tap into consciousness. Mark, I'm just wanting to pop back to you. I'm curious what your thoughts are on the ego and the self and our personalities in terms of making work or writing, but still coming from this place of being tapped into consciousness.
Mark Gober:
Again, it's a better balance as I see it, that in some traditions, the ego is this really bad thing. However, it's like we want to transcend our ego, but then still embody it because it has our unique attributes and our... Whatever we're here to do is part of this personality structure in this body that we're in. It's not getting too tied to it, but also embodying it at the same time, and that's a paradoxical idea, just like so many of these ideas, which are very abstract. It's not one or the other.
The way I think about it is I always try to look at, "Well, what are the things I'm passionate about? What are the things that I seem to do with relative ease, or things where I feel like I have a unique contribution?" Then I focus on those, and try to do my best.
Sarah Rossiter:
Laura shares “All truth goes through three stages. First, its ridiculed. Then it's violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self evident.” This quote by 19th century German philosopher included in Mark's book, An End to Upside Down Thinking, I guess I should have had you read that one, Mark. Do you want to talk a little bit more about that? I do feel that your work is pretty groundbreaking, and it seems weird to say that. It seems ridiculous like, "How in this day and age is spirituality and science and consciousness considered so separate, when, for me, it makes perfect sense, but I had to come to that in a very intuitive, experiential way?"
Mark Gober:
It really shouldn't be groundbreaking, because it's the fundamental nature of reality that we all exist in and we're all a part of, but our society is looking in a different direction. Really, our compass is oriented somewhere else. The quote that Laura referenced is about paradigm shifts. This can happen in science. It can happen in medicine. I've dealt with this a lot in my professional career dealing with intellectual property and patents. A patent is something that is novel and non-obvious relative to everything that's been done before. When a new idea comes out, that's patented, a lot of the people in the field will say, "No, that doesn't work, because we do it this way."
Anything that challenges the conventional paradigm is met with resistance. I think there can be ego involved. Let's say you're a tenured professor, and your whole career has been focused on this one way of looking at life. Then someone comes along with a new idea that challenges your whole career, or would force it to be recontextualized. There's going to be a resistance, and if you put that on an institutional level, if you put that across the media or the political spectrum, there can be tons of resistance to a new idea for lots of reasons in terms of people wanting to protect themselves.
There seems to be this trend in which a new idea comes out. It's ridiculed. It's violently opposed, and then, "Oh, of course, we knew that. That's the new norm." Who would have ever thought that was a crazy idea? Until the next thing comes along, that seems like it's crazy, and that's the way in which we move. I think there's a... As we evolve collectively, there might just be more openness to new ideas, and less clinging with certainty about anything. That openness will lead to less ridicule, I think.
Sarah Rossiter:
I mean, you can see it historically. That's what the quote in your book was referring to. At all different times, people said the earth is flat. If you said it was round, you were going to be ridiculed. There's always this development in consciousness. There's also a sense of... I'm curious what your thoughts are on this idea of originality. Sometimes, even in working with Laura, when we tap into the angels and spirit guides, an idea will be shared. It's like, "Well, who does that belong to, that idea?" It's this idea, and sometimes with art making, something will be made, and a lot of excitement gets applied in the human world to giving it authorship, but it comes from a bigger place that belongs to everyone.
Mark Gober:
Well, to me, it's another paradox. At some level, since we're all interconnected, we all own that idea, but it comes through an individual, so I think of the individual as a steward or custodian, not an owner, per se, of anything, but the temporary steward or custodian. There's a great responsibility to use that gift as it comes through. When ideas come through, it's a gift that we're given, and it's our responsibility to use it in the best way possible to the world. That's a less egoistic way of looking at it, rather than saying, "Oh, this is my idea. I'm so special that I had this creative insight pop in." Instead, it's, "Well, I'm fortunate that this came in, and how can I use it?"
Sarah Rossiter:
Is anybody curious about their own creative practice, or any challenges you might be facing and manifesting or your career, or how to bridge this gap between abundant thinking and creative practice, and then being in the world? I'm sure you'll get some good advice if you ask it here. Well, I will ask the same question of all of you. I'm wanting to move forward in my career. In terms of being an artist, I feel like painting is really calling me, but I'm also doing this other thing with the Psychic Artist Podcast. Then I'm also starting to teach about creativity and consciousness.
I'm curious what your thoughts are about how to really connect with people, and share this information, but still follow what I feel like is my dharma to be an artist. For a long time, I've felt like being an artist is a bit of service to humanity, that even though it doesn't immediately translate... Different cultures value art making very differently. When I was showing Europe, it's received much more positively than in the U.S., but it often feels like you're putting something out there into the ether, and you never know how it's being perceived or what effect it has on people.
If you guys want to talk about that at all, it could also be from your perspective doing your creative work. How do you view your service? Go ahead, Mark.
Mark Gober:
For me, I always think about the Indian sage's quote. His name is Nisargadatta Maharaj. He said, "Life is the supreme guru." Meaning that life basically teaches you what you want to know if you have your eyes open, and you look at what's coming in to your life, where there's a lot of resistance, where things are moving very smoothly. That's how things have really worked for me, and I've had different phases in my creative processes, where at some points, I have a lot of time to research and listen to podcasts. I can do 10 to 12 hours a day of just researching. For whatever reason, I have the capacity to do that, and the ability because my schedule opens up.
Then at another point, I have no interest in doing that, or my schedule isn't allowing it, or if I tried to, there would be resistance because I would be distracted. That's just a microcosm of how things work. In your case, Sarah, I don't know all the specifics, but your life might lend itself to certain creative outlets at certain times. Then other times, there might be more resistance. Seeing what the universe is allowing, if you're seeing a lot of positive feedback in one area at one time, or maybe even financial abundance, I would follow where there is less resistance and high levels of passion.
Sarah Rossiter:
That's excellent advice. I'm sure Laura has some thoughts on that, because I think sometimes... Sorry, I agree with you about following the flow of what the universe is supporting and resistance. I feel like I've also heard Laura say that resistance have many forms.
Laura Michelle Powers:
I agree. Resistance, sometimes, what we label as resistance could be, "Hey, this isn't the thing for me." Sometimes it could be our beliefs in programming that are making it difficult and creating obstacles for us. I think that's always the challenge is to figure out what is this resistance? Is it literally like, "Hey, this isn't aligned for me," or is it, "This is actually really good for me on a soul level, but I don't want to do it, because it goes against what I've been taught, for example?" Literally, that resistance can manifest in technical problems life blocks, money blocks. You name it.
I really experienced that when I was opening into my psychic abilities. It's not like any parents or family member probably wants to hear from their child like, "I'm going to be a psychic. I really experienced so much of that resistance. That psychic coming out of the closet was probably one of the hardest things I've ever done, so there was a lot of resistance. It was not easy, but it also was absolutely the best thing for me to do at that time. I think it's important to identify what is our own internal resistance, and what is the universe being like, "Hey, that's just not a great path for you right now." That's, I think, probably the biggest challenge.
We all are incredible creators, and the more we move through that programming, the more we receive. I think we do go through these levels of almost ego death or ego shift, which can feel very intense. I know when I was tapping into my psychic abilities and stepping, also, for me, that really coincided with creativity, because when I stepped into my psychic abilities, I wrote my first book. I started my first podcast. I also was working as an actress for the first time full time while I was building my psychic business. All of these things were very connected, and so for me, tapping in helps my creativity.
I'm getting from the guide, Sarah, to say that I think all these pieces for you are... They are all a part of the picture, and that you don't have to be like, "I'm just doing my art, or I'm just doing my podcast, or I'm just doing my teaching." They are so fully integrated. Also, I was guided to teach very early on. I think you are too being guided to teach because one of the best ways to really learn and affirm your knowledge is to teach something. I think that's exactly what Mark did when he wrote his book that basically he was learning as he wrote. Then he shared that information, and also connected with all these individuals, those he was teaching as well as those he was learning from. I think Sarah, you'll find your path, and sometimes we don't see the divineness of the whole system until later.
To give a personal example, I majored in theater in college. I started doing improv when I was 15. I was actually in a paid improv troupe that was funded by Home at Rescues. That's so weird. That's a non-normal thing to be doing. We were do improv about serious issues like homelessness or abuse and things like that. I did improv, and then I did these improv comedy shows as an actress. Then I started podcasting. Then I stepped into my psychic realm, and then I got the offer to be on Will Ferrell's podcast, which is a comedy podcast.
They asked me to talk about being a psychic on a... It was like, all these things that don't seem like they would be connected in any capacity, but in so many ways, I was a great fit because I had improv experience. I had podcast experience. I was basically acting because I had to pretend that this guy was a real guy asking me these ridiculous questions, so there might be things that we are doing or being guided to do that seem like, "How does this connect to these other things," but the universe will provide these magical opportunities that completely fit all of the various wonderful pieces of yourself.
Sarah Rossiter:
I think it's so great that you're doing stand up comedy, I recently heard.
Laura Michelle Powers:
Yes. That's another one of those things, where I feel ultimately that I'm here to teach and plant ideas and inform. No matter what I do, I'm a teacher, so my comedy is about being a psychic, and so even though... Hopefully people laugh, and it's entertaining, but I'm reaching a lot of people that they're not going to pick up a book about psychic matters, or listen to my podcast. It's a wonderful way of reaching a new group of people, and also making it not so heavy, because sometimes, with this kind of work, it can feel very heavy and intense, and a lot of people are like, "I don't want to go there."
It's a way of approaching it from a place of lightness and fun, and reach more people because of that.
Sarah Rossiter:
That's super interesting. I would love to see one of your shows.
Laura Michelle Powers:
Yes. I'm working on one, so I'll keep you posted.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
It's so interesting that everything that Laura has talked about, I'm a couple steps behind her. For me, what came through is sometimes we don't connect the dots. Sometimes we do get the little nuggets of information, and at the time, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's trusting. It's just following that little feeling in your belly that you got about something. Then a month later, another door opens. The next day, another door opens, and your egos get in the way. We're humans. We are having this human experience. We get imposter monster syndrome like our friend Allison talks about, and that can be a huge block.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
We make all these steps forward, and we're feeling really good. Then boom, we get hit with, "Am I really good enough? Am I cut out for this? Am I... Is this really what I'm supposed to be doing?" That's whenever our vibration lowers, and we get in that fear mode, but just picking up the pieces and leaning into what's uncomfortable, not knowing and, like Mark said, surrendering to the unknown. It's a huge leap of faith. When I was in a class with Laura about writing a book, I thought I was going to write a book on recipes and throwing together the greatest meal from what's in your pantry, or about trees and tree wisdom.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
Every time I would meditate, it was like I heard animals, animals, and I'm like, "No, back to the trees." Then it just kept coming, and it kept coming, so I asked the universe for a specific sign. Sometimes, we need to be hit in the head with a frying pan. I asked specifically for something that I had never seen where I was going, and I got... Then I wrote my book on animal messengers. Fast forward a year, it's finally getting released, which is wonderful, but I started taking more Reiki classes. An animal Reiki call to me. I didn't connect the dots with the animals yet, so I took the Reiki class.
I started doing Reiki with people. All of a sudden, I start hearing animals, and I had no idea that it was them. Now, I just had a session last night. I've incorporated animal communication into my business. I can talk with animals that are here and animals that have crossed over. But if you would have asked me a year ago, if I would have been doing anything with the animals, I would have been like, "Yeah, Betty and I are hanging out, my pug," but that was it. That surrender and that trust of perhaps not connecting the dots right away, but leaning into what is being presented to you because it's all happening for a reason and a bigger purpose.
Sarah Rossiter:
That's so beautiful. Thank you, Shelley. Does anyone else want to jump in or share or have a question? Laura says in the chat, “I'm getting to share this phrase, mantra…” Do you want to say it?
Laura Michelle Powers:
Sure. You can rephrase or reword to how it feels good for you, but it's:
“As I help millions, I make millions.” Again, if we mentally tie in this ability to receive energetically financially with our ability to help, because most creatives, most healers, psychics, that's ultimately what they really want to do is help. It's just the method with which they're doing it. I truly believe that those who have more money impact the world in a very deep way, and so it's important for us to allow ourselves to receive financially so that we can also then energetically make an impact through finances, because that's a lot of how the world is run right now.
It's okay that we don't... There's a lot of judgment and labeling of money, but the truth is that money is neutral. Money is an energy. It's all about how we use it. Yes, there are people that have a lot of money that do very bad things, but if you come from a place of big heartedness and consciousness, the more money that you receive, the more that you're able to make conscious positive choices with your money as well. I just felt the need to share that idea that as we help more, receive more and make a deeper impact, not only for our creative work for our help that we're giving, but also with that tool of money that then we can use in positive ways, spend consciously, support things that we believe in.
Also, I mean, as my business has grown, I have a team of people that I pay. I mean, so this is... I remember when the pandemic started, and one of my team members, she said, "Laura, I'm so grateful for you, because everyone else has let me go." She was with a contractor that had several other people that she worked for. It's important for us to be able to recognize and honor, and not reject money, and not label it as bad, and also open ourselves to receiving it. I think that idea is one of the things that can help people with accepting and accessing it.
Sarah Rossiter:
Does anyone else want to ask a question? I can always come up with more.
Mark Gober:
As Laura and Shelly were talking about just how our lives can unfold, and we can look in ways that we didn't expect, and we can look back at our past and see how things fit together, the image that I like to think of is it's like we're a rat in a maze. If you had a helicopter's perspective, you can see the entire maze and what's ahead in the journey, but we don't have that perspective, because we're in it, and so we see just what's immediately ahead, what's behind us, but we don't have the full picture. Sometimes, if we just release whatever we believe the full picture to be in and allow it to unfold, it can just be easier.
Sarah Rossiter:
That's really beautiful. Thanks, Mark. Liz, did you want to ask your question?
Liz:
Sure. Thank you, Sarah, for bringing this together and all of your wonderful guests. It's really lovely. I am a visual artist similar to Sarah. I know I personally struggle with figuring out. We've talked about how it's okay to have all these different things to do and to work in your life, and you can focus on what feels good, but I think I often have trouble figuring out which direction to go in. There are so many opportunities. With my art, there might be a direction that's more academic or environmentally motivated. Then there's other options that are more about maybe a paid project.
Then sometimes, I'll just say yes to something that's come up, like open studios at my building. Then I get all distracted, and I don't know where to go. I'm sure when I tap into my instincts, you can figure it out, but it gets hard. I think there's probably multiple questions in there, but that's the thing that came up.
Sarah Rossiter:
Laura, do you want to respond?
Laura Michelle Powers:
I do. Mark alluded to this as well, but I think really feeling into what feels exciting for you at the moment, what feels exciting, what draws your attention. There are times when creative projects for me will feel really like it's the important thing, and then it'll shift. I, at any point, have several books that I'm working on because that's how I operate. Then I'm like, "Now, it's time..." The song will pop in, and I'll just channel that song, so giving yourself permission to just create in the way of what's coming in and flow for you, and not judge yourself for that, so really paying attention.
Also, I do believe in signs and messages, so maybe there's a certain thing that just keeps popping into your consciousness over and over again. This could be a thought, a feeling, and idea. It could be literally, you see a bumper sticker. You see something in your email inbox. You see it on a billboard. You see or you hear friends talking about it. That's something to pay attention to when a message keeps coming up over and over again. I've gotten the message from the angels and spirit guides that they're constantly giving us messages, but we frequently don't understand or recognize them so that for every time we actually sent it, they've sent it to us 100 times that we weren't aware of, so just the thing to think about in terms of that.
Also, we can be so abundantly creative, so not to feel like you have to choose just one, because I think that's part of the programming that we're all releasing right now is this idea that you have to be this one thing. You're only allowed one thing or maybe two, but that's a part of the lack structure and mentality, and it's very limited. We are abundant divine creators. We don't need to pick just one thing. Now, if that's what we want to do, that's another thing. There are some people that go in a very deep dive, and that's on a soul level what they choose, what feels comfortable for them, what they want, but it's a totally different thing if we're only doing that because of our programming that that's all that you can have.
Sarah Rossiter:
Liz, is that helpful?
Liz:
I think that was great. One of the things that comes up, I'm sure for everybody, is just logistically time. I have a kid, and when you do something like open studios, it takes multiple days to set up. When you sign up, it might feel exciting and fun, but then when you're in it, and you're like, "Wait, where did that two weeks go? I was supposed to be working on this other thing." I think I'm just not quite forward enough in my ability to pay attention to be able to know which things are going to be a good thing in the long run, and what things I'm feeling like are obligations.
It's hard for me to distinguish sometimes things that feel like, "Oh, that'll be good for me to do," as opposed to, "This is something that's calling me." It's hard to know. When you sign up for something like open studios, you're going to reach tens of people, and so you don't know what's going to come of it but...
Sarah Rossiter:
I feel like as you get more intuitive, my hit on this is that as you tap into your intuition, it will be easier for you to connect to what's really aligned for you, because sometimes as creative and entrepreneurial people, we think, "Oh, this is the path to success, but I must do this, this and this." It's really mind numbing or soul crushing sometimes to do these things. As you get more intuitive, you'll start to trust that sometimes walking down the street in the other direction and bumping into someone at the coffee shop is going to be more effective than the other system, which says you have to go to an art fair, and stand there for 10 hours and feel miserable.
I feel like I've become more trusting of this guidance, and it's not always what you think it will be. But often, it's what's aligned for you and what will really support you. I like that Mark said passion, and Laura said excitement. It's like, what draws you and listening to those messages will fill you up. Your soul might be giving you the message that this open studio is just not for you, because you feel so awful about it, just as an example. Sometimes when we feel bad, that's the message too.
Anyways, but I look forward to working with you, Liz, because you won a free reading from doing that review. Thanks. I think it's so cool too to be able to integrate our intuitive awareness, our spiritual practice, meditation, and have that support our creative businesses because we need more guidance in that area. There's not a lot... We don't have a lot of role models out there in that. I'm going to just finish up. Does anyone want to share anything else before I say goodbye and talk about the course?
Laura Michelle Powers:
I put it in the chat, but I'll just briefly say that I think creatives have a hard time receiving help, intuitives as well, healers. That's a huge part of this, because a lot of time, we're guided to do something, but there's literally only so much time that we have, and key to doing some of the things that we're being guided to step into was getting help, some help, whether that's personal help. If you're a parent, having help with your children could be house help. It could be professional help in terms of an assistant. But a lot of times, we're guided to step in to something that we literally can't do that next level without that help.
I was guided to write a book. Could I have released that without an editor? No. Could I release that without hiring a printer to put it together and everything? No. I think that's where a lot of creatives struggle is they try to do the creative thing they're being guided to do with the same level of support that they currently have, and it's impossible. That's a really important step. Also, also ask for signs for... Is this a good thing for... You can ask a very specific sign. As an example, when I was stepping into my psychic work, and I very quickly had raised my prices, because I felt intuitively to do so.
Then I got the message to do it again. I asked the guides for a very clear message that I couldn't misunderstand, because I wanted to make sure I wasn't an ego about raising my prices again. I was driving home from Denver. It's about 30 minutes ride, got home, and in my mailbox was a business magazine that was addressed to me that I had never ordered. The headline, cover article, was 10 Reasons Why You Should Raise Your Prices. Inside the magazine were 10 reasons for my analytical mind to understand. It's a conversation with the universe, so just ask the question and see what comes forward.
Sarah Rossiter:
I think that's beautiful, and it really liberates us from thinking that we are one, that we are separate, that we're alone. Sometimes as creatives, we're very alone. We're in a quiet space, and once you start to realize that this abundant universe is supporting you, and you can ask a question if you don't understand. You can say, "Give me a sign," or you can ask it again or... There's a lot of different ways to ask questions. I also really think that grounding and clearing first is so important so that you're clear on what the voice that's coming in, that it's a voice of love and light, that it's coming from a place of clarity.
There is a question in the chat from Tracy. She says, "I have a daily discipline of breathwork, and have been shown there has been suffering across the divides. Past life awareness has been very relevant. I definitely believe there is a purpose to liberate others through their breath, being very patient with where all this leads and how it's all developing. Do you have any advice? I'm often called to be still, and often being told to feel into the emotions from a new paradigm, a new version of self."
For me, breath connects to this idea of being in stillness, in meditation, where creativity and flow comes from. Mark, do you have thoughts?
Mark Gober:
Well, as I've been listening to these various discussions on basically how should we make decisions when we're faced with lots of options, that's the general theme of what's been coming up. In my second book, An End to Upside Down Living, I thought about this very deeply, and I have four simplified steps that I take personally with any decision when I'm just not sure what to do, or if I'm trying to surrender, but I also want to be active at the same time, there's just this paradox of being passive but also active. For me, it starts with values. Number one, is the thing I'm doing related to my values? Is it integrity?
I think all the things we're talking about are, so that's not quite as relevant here. The second for me is passions, and that's difficult to talk about, because it's only something that we know for each of us individually what that feels like. The third is intuition, which, as Laura and others have been saying, that's something that we learn to discern. What's our intuition? What's something that's from a past pattern that we need to transcend? But our intuition will usually guide us. The fourth is a quote from Suzanne Siegel, the former spiritual teacher. She said, "Do the next obvious thing," so values, passions, intuitions, do the next obvious thing.
I don't know if that helps, Tracy. There's probably so many other situations and variables in your life. But for me, when I think about those four, I'm usually able to make decisions in the short term that will in the long term steer me in the right direction.
Sarah Rossiter:
That's really well said. Also, Laura says in the chat, “We can't heal something until we release it. We release with every exhale.” Did you want to expand on that, Laura?
Laura Michelle Powers:
I just think in so many ways, breath is life. Breath is spirit. When the breath leaves our bodies, so does our spirit, so it is extremely important. I've been shown this psychically that most people are unconsciously holding their breath. This is very tied into abundance. If we can't even receive as much air as we want and need, how can we receive abundance or universal energies? It is very important. I'm getting, Tracy, just to understand and really acknowledge that important. We all have different soul callings, and when we really tap into that, that's when I think everything opens up for us.
When I was very psychically shut down, I was heavily involved in government and politics. I was really involved, you guys. When I psychically had my opening and awareness that this whole new world opened up for me, and I really felt that this was what I needed to do, and logic says that's not a really good career choice. It's not like... It's like, "Yeah, that's a really successful career to be a psychic." When you look at a lot of the examples, at least, when I was growing up, it wasn't really a path that seemed open to me. But as I tapped into it, because it's aligned for me individually, things really opened up for me.
I feel for you, it's just following the breadcrumbs. I think Mark alluded to this, but just follow the next exciting thing, the thing that you're getting to get, and it will unfold for you and become more clear as you go. I just put it in the chat, but I feel that writing a book would be really great for you, that a lot of times when we write a book, it's like it solidifies our own knowledge, and really clarifies and gels in a way. I was guided to write a book very early on. I wrote my first book Life in the Afterlife, and I just literally took six weeks, and just hammered it out, and I'm so grateful. Anyway, that was just an intuitive hit I got for you specifically.
Sarah Rossiter:
Thanks, Laura. I also am in your book writing class at the moment, and have really benefited. We just came to this great awareness that my course, Creativity and Consciousness, which by the way came to me when I invited Mark to be on the podcast, it was a download that I got that I should give this course, that that course should now become a book. It's an interesting process how ideas come into your life, and then you find so many different ways to build on them and share them. It's not always what you think it's going to be, but it always turns out great, because you're expanding your awareness. You're connecting with others.
You're gathering knowledge. You're sharing knowledge. It can all happen at the same time. It's a lot like breathing in and breathing out. It's a constant flow. Also, Shelley said in the chat, breath is connection to everyone and everything.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
When I was thinking about the elements in particular, and how they can support and help us with the wind, I had two... I feel two trains of thoughts when I work with the wind. One is I allow it and surrender to it pushing and moving and helping and nudging me in the direction that I am supposed to go and align to go. The other piece of that is breath. Our breath is connected to the wind. Not only do we do it consciously and unconsciously, when we speak words, which are spells, we use our breath. When... Everything that we put out to the universe, everything that we receive from the universe is connected to our breath. When you lean into that, it's really empowering.
I too have worked with Laura, and to date in my life, the biggest thing that has happened is the release work that I did with her. I remember saying, "Laura, I didn't know how easy... I didn't know what it felt like to breathe as easily as I was, because I had never felt that breath in 40 years." Breath is pretty amazing.
Thank you so much. That's really a beautiful feeling. I also would like to just thank the panelists. I feel like we're at the end of our hour and 20 minutes. It's been really lovely to have you guys here. I have a little thing to tell you about the course that's coming up. If any of you need to hop off now, I totally get it. I also have some information to share about the course. Also, for everyone that attended this live panel, you were entered to win a free registration to the creativity and consciousness course. Carrie is the winner. I'm so excited for her. I don't think that Carrie you...
Your image is on there, but you're not maybe able to respond right now, but I will get in touch with you. You will be entered, or you'll have a free registration to this course, which starts in October. I want to just share with you about the course, what it is, and thank the panelists because they're all going to be a part of this course. The wonderful guest speakers from today's panel will be a part of a 10-week course that I'm teaching on October 1st called Creativity and Consciousness. This course will support you in connecting to the infinite creative source within you. The experts include Mark Gober, Laura Michelle Powers, Shelley Wasicki-Franke as well as Rebecca Packard, who's an Emotion Code practitioner, and Marisa Imon, who is a magical manifester and musician.
They will all share their perspectives and knowledge on the tools that they use to connect to be more abundant, more creative, more expressive, and successful as creative entrepreneurs, practitioners and authors. We will support you in tapping into your creative fire, and expanding your consciousness, and making the work that your soul is calling you to make. This live course is for everyone, whether you have a creative practice already or not or you want to become more creative. Also, for everyone else participating today or listening to the webinar, I do have a special offer to share. For the next week, I'm offering a half off the cost of the course if you sign up.
You can sign up my website at sarahrossiter.com/trainings, and use the code abundance. I can also send this to you as a message or an email, and you will receive half off, so instead of $999, it will be $500. There's a payment plan for as low as $100 a month for five months. I just wanted to make this course accessible to everyone, because I think it's going to be super empowering. I will be sharing at another date more details on the specifics of the course as I share the curriculum and what exactly will be happening. But basically, you can see there's going to be some awesome people involved.
I really want to thank Mark and Laura and Shelley for being here today and sharing their wisdom. Wishing you so much abundance and creative expression.
Mark Gober:
I would just say thank you, Sarah, for having us and for hosting this panel. I hope that this has been helpful to those who are listening. Thank you for joining.
Sarah Rossiter:
Thanks so much, Mark. It's great to see you again.
Mark Gober:
You too.
Laura Michelle Powers:
Thank you very much there. Sarah, I'm so excited. I know that you're going to touch a lot of people, and it’s a very important message now. Thank you for having me.
Sarah Rossiter:
Oh, thank you, Laura.
Shelley Wasicki-Franke:
Sarah, thank you so much for putting this together. I just know that there are so many beautiful things that are going to happen for everyone that you are involved with. Thank you for your energy and time.
Sarah Rossiter:
It's really great to connect with all you guys, and just sending you lots of blessings today. I can't wait to talk more soon. This is my favorite topic. Thank you everyone.
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I'd also like to share how you can connect with today's guest experts.
For Mark Gober, you can go to markgober.com. There, you will find his two books, and also, they're on Amazon and a link to his podcast called Where is My Mind?
For Laura Michelle Powers, you can go to healingpowers.net. On her services page, you can find all the ways to work with her as a psychic. On her business coaching website, powershours.biz, you can find out more about her courses like writing or podcasting courses that I highly recommend. Also, Laura's podcast is called Healing Powers.
For Shelley Wasicki-Franke, you can find her on Facebook and Instagram at the Positive Spirit Co. Her email is the positivespiritco@gmail.com. Her podcast is the Positive Spirit podcast with Shelley. They're such wonderful guests, and I hope you can connect with them.
Oh wow, that panel was so cool. I really loved talking with Mark, Laura and Shelley and all of our participants about creativity, abundance and consciousness. Now, I just want to invite you, if you're listening to this podcast or watching a video, to join the course that will be starting in October that will have these speakers and more in it. I wanted to just reiterate this offer that I gave to people participating in the course for half off if you sign up in the next week.
I'm going to extend that to any of you that are listening to the recording, so I'll extend this half off special until August 31st for you. If you go to my website, sarahrossiter.com/trainings, you can use the code abundance to sign up for $500 for this 10-week course. It'll be an hour and a half approximately each week starting October 1st on Fridays. We will talk about how to get you more connected to flow. Also, I have payment plans available, so it can be as low as $100 a month for five months.
I'm so excited to work with you, and share this wisdom from these wonderful teachers and also from the universe and my angels and spirit guides. Many blessings and I look forward to seeing you soon.
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